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*NOTE* I had someone decide to spend their time going online and find every fact to prove me wrong. As far as statistics go, all the information here is from my OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCES AND STUDIES.

HATERS GONNA HATE: A Furry Tail

IF YOU ARE ANTI-FURRY, I know this is a bit long, but I BEG you out of respect to please read this.
If you are a caring, loving, forgiving, respectful human being, you will read and understand this.

This rant is a followup to my "The TRUTH About Furries" rant → fav.me/d4903a6


I know there is a wide population out there who are 100% Furry haters.
In this world, everyone has the right to their own opinions.
But for a good and logical reasoning for any argument, there has to be research from both sides.
If you are one of the many out there who support Anti-Furdom, I ask, have you accounted for both sides?

IF YOU ARE ANTI-FURRY, I'D LIKE YOU TO READ ALL OF THIS, BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART THE SECTION AT THE END CALLED THE DEFENCE.

I BEG YOU TO READ IT IF NOTHING ELSE!

I'd like to start by admitting that yes, I AM a Furry.
But PLEASE, DON'T let that little fact stop you from reading.
I don't shove who I am into people's faces, but rather make people aware of the truth.

I'd like to begin with the definitions I used in the previous rant.

There are, as I see it, FIVE main types of Furries.

1. The Character: A "Furry" character is simply an animal like character with human qualities. There is a wide range of these characters. Some have human bodies with very few animal qualities such as the ears, tail, eyes, teeth, hands and feet. Other full Furries are in a human-like state (human body shape and on two feet), while having all animal qualities. These characters are the first form of Furries and are NOT in any way sexual initially. The artists chose to do this, and while it is a common trait of Furs, it is not a requirement.

2. The Drawing: The drawing of Furries themselves is considered Furry, specifically, Furry art. Not much to say here really.

3. The Costume: Men and women who dress in a Furry costume, commonly called a fursuit, are considered Furries. Some wear full body suits, while others, like me (on a day to day basis), wear a hat with ears on it, ears alone, a tail, paw gloves, sharp fake teeth, animal-like contacts... etc. 90% of these Furries' costumes are of their own character, usually their "fursona" (animal form of themselves). Not everyone who dresses in this way is sexual with their costume. Many do it for fun to express themselves. A lot of the time it is for a sort of convention, fundraiser, or event.
4. The Inner Animal: Some people follow Furry culture based off the belief they are an animal in a human body. This one is hard for me to explain because this is not why I am who I am. I see it as similar to people who FEEL they are a girl or boy trapped in the opposite sex's body. It's NOT a sickness, and I HATE when people say it is. It's just a feeling that something isn't right. The same goes for Furries of this nature. Something just feels out of place.

5. The Sex: Then comes what the media has put out there. These are those who dress in costume and have sex. Doing this however does NOT make you a Furry, just like being a Furry does NOT mean you use it for sexual means. As a Furry, I can honestly say I have never done anything sexual by means of Furdom.

There are two sides to this sexual Furriness...
Side A - The BAD Side: This is the side of so called "Furries" who dress up and lure young children in and have sex with them. THIS is the side the media blew up in everyone's faces and made all Furries look like sexual deviants. This is the extremely RARE side of Furdom.
Side B - The GOOD Side: This is the more fetish / love side. Many Furries like to become couples, and while seen as odd in some people's eyes, like to express their love to one another in their Fur form. This can just be an act of love, or a fetish. But if you see it as weird, think of all the other odd fetishes out there. From simple foot licking, to Vampirism, to getting peed on, having a Fur fetish is pretty normal if you ask me.

OF COURSE, just because you fit in one of these categories, does NOT mean you are a furry. It's like saying "All German Shepards are dogs, but not all dogs are German Shepards".
YOU YOURSELF makes you a Furry. The fact that you say and believe you are (while following one or more of the ablove categories).

AS TO NOT BE HYPOCRITICAL, I HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED BOTH SIDES TO THIS ARGUMENT.


THE ANTI-FURRY SIDE
Of course, I know the Anti-Furry side quite well. However this side is full of harsh misconceptions based off true facts.

1. One of the top misconceptions is that Furries have sex with animals.
This fact, while true, is VERY RARE. There are very few Furries out there who go so far as to have sex with other creatures not human. However, there are many out there who AREN'T Furries who do this do. The proper term for this is NOT "Furry", it is "Bestiality".
Bestiality within furry culture: RARE

2. Another HUGE misconception about Furries is their sexual acts of dressing up as Furries and having sex. This has two sides, a CORRECT and a WRONG side.

THE WRONG SIDE: This is the side the media started when an older woman dressed up in an animal suit and molested a child. This woman was NOT a furry. This woman dressed like this to lure in young children. She DID NOT follow in a Furry culture.

THE CORRECT SIDE: Furries who dress up and have sex do exists. This however is NOT THE DEFINITION OF A FURRY. My best explanation of this is "Some priests have sex with little boys, but it doesn't mean all of them do". Some priests HAVE done this, it has been all over the news. But people are STILL religious.
SO, the Furries who dress up and have sex do it because it is their FETISH. Fetishes are normal for many humans, while sometimes the fetishes themselves are not. But there are more disgusting fetishes out there, like being peed / dedicated on for example.

3. The NUMBER ONE OVERALL misconception is that Furries are ALL SEXUAL DEVIANTS. Being a Furry myself, I can assure you, we aren't. Yes, there ARE people who draw Furry porn, this does not mean they use it for themselves or even do anything sexually with Furdom. They are just there to please the sexually Furry population. There ARE Furries who use Furry porn, drawings and photos alike, for sexual means. However this is no worse than using Anime porn, pictures of naked children, etc... It is equal to (or better in some cases like the naked children) than these examples.



THE FURRY SUPPORTING SIDE
So, here is how we see it. EVEN IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT FURRIES, OR NEVER PLAN TO, PLEASE RESPECT US AND READ THIS.

1. The Furry Culture: Furries are a culture, much like Gays, Cliques (Jocks, Emos, Preps...), Religion, Vampires, White and Colored people, Countries, etc... Unlike Gays, skin colors, and countries of origin, we DO have the ability to chose whether or not we want to be Furries. But this is a choice we are PROUD of.

2. The Feeling Of Belonging: Furries are a family. Being a Furry means you can be a part of something that will accept you, even when the people who are supposed to don't. A good, true Furry will accept anyone who supports them and the Furry culture, and we ill always protect each other.

3. The Simple Fun / Style: Some, while not many, become Furries for the fun of it. Some do it because they love the style. Others do it because the "animal – like" actions and personalities fit them well. Anime styles have hit the world pretty hard, and much of the Furry style derives from Anime. Some have their own characters which they like to express through dress. Some, like Anime lovers, like to go to Anime Conventions dressed as animals. It's the fun of the character that drives some to become Furries.

4. The Artist: The art of anthro is an interesting and fun concept. A great deal of it derives off of Anime,which is rarely seen as terrible as Furries are. The style of anthro and Furry art is fun and unique, and people draw them in many ways. Yes, some people enjoy drawing things which are on the more sexual side, but it IS still art no matter how you try and fight it. Art is described by the artist, and if you don't see it as art, that is YOUR oppinion. But as they say, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

5. The Love: As said before, SOME Furries do in fact do some nasty things. Most of the time, these "Furries" are not Furries at all (because they don't follow popular Furry culture), but rather use the image of a cute loveable character to lure young children in. Those people who are into bestiality are also usually not Furries, but are labeled as such because of the animal reference. While I HAVE heard of some true Furries doing this, it is RARE and DOES NOT define Furries.
Most of the sex related Furries are those who have a fur-fetish, and do it in a respectful, non-forceful, not disgusting way. Just like any fetish, it may not be normal, but having a fetish in general is. EVERYONE has something that turns them on whether it be looks, clothing, object, action, pain, etc... Furdom is just one of those things. Some people dress up because they like the look. Some people hiss, scratch, purr, etc... because they like the animal personality. But, USUALLY this is done like many fetishes, both parties agreeing to it because they enjoy it. Compared to fetishes involving fecal matter and bodily fluids, dressing up for sex is pretty normal.


THE DEFENCE
If you are ANTI-FURRY, here's where I'd like you to read the most.

Furries, like I said, are a culture just like Gays, Cliques (Jocks, Emos, Preps...), Religion, Vampires, White and Colored people, Countries, etc...
We are PROUD, but the sad part is many of us are too scared to express ourselves for fear we will be verbally bashed or physically abused. If you are Gay, fit into a clique, are religious, or have colored skin, and have been verbally or physically abused, did it hurt? Did you fight for your stand? If not, would you if you were?
Although you Anti-Furries may not see it, bashing Furry culture is like being racist. It is just the same as protesting Gay Marriage. It is exactly the same as bashing a religion. If you support those who have or yourself have colored skin, support Gay Marriage, or are religious, think of how hurt you'd feel and how much you'd try to defend your beliefs.

Many Anti-Furries get mad when Furries defend themselves. But you'd do the same in the same situation.

To further explain my prior example.
"Some priests have sexually molest little boys, but it doesn't mean all of them do". Some priests HAVE done this, it has been all over the news. But people are STILL religious. While some people stopped going to that church, or maybe few stopped being religious, there are still millions upon millions of people who still follow their faith and don't believe EVERY priest molests little boys.

To say ALL or MOST Furries are perverted sexual deviants, is like saying "ALL ravers are druggies", "ALL Muslims are killers because of 9/11", "ALL pregnant teens are irresponsible people", and that "ALL Priests are molesters because some have had sex with young boys".
NONE of these statements are true. Just as not all Furries are horrible, perverted, disgusting, sexually driven people.

You should NEVER judge someone based on how they look or dress or behave based on what others in their same culture have done.



TO MY FELLOW FURRIES...
Be PROUD, but don't be forceful. STAND UP for yourself, but don't be rude.
Many Furry haters hate us because we shove our culture into their faces, instead of talking and trying help them understand. Nobody will listen if they are being harassed. They will go into defense mode and just hate you more. Tell them you are proud to be you, and say nothing more unless they ask. We want to educate people, not push them away, or they will never listen.



I respect everyone's right to opinion, and while I love a good HEALTHY argument, will never deem a wrong until I know 100% they are by doing the research necessary to know.
I will never bash a person for who they are and for their beliefs without talking, asking, and getting the full story from them first.
I never judge on impact, but rather I judge those who give me reason to.
*NOTE* I had someone decide to spend their time going online and find every fact to prove me wrong. As far as statistics go, all the information here is from my OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCES AND STUDIES.

This is written MOSTLY to educate those who aren't 100% aware of the TRUTH behind Furries.

I welcome anyone to read it with OPEN MINDS.
I WILL remove any posts that are hatefull or hurtfull.

PLEASE READ ALL OF IT IF YOU CAN!

You have the right to judge and hate Furries ONLY when you know both sides. If you don't know the TRUTH, you have NO right to judge.

PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SHARE THIS LINK WHEREVER, BUT PLEASE do not REPOST THIS ENTIRE THING! And leave a link to me to show me where you've shared the link.

The reason I ask you not to repost this whole thing is because I wanna know how many people have read it rather than have a bunch of scattered numbers. PLUS, THIS IS STILL MY WORK! Copying is STEALING!

And NEVER force anyone to read it, but ask them to out of respect. :3 More people will listen that way.
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Dragonkingmark Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2014
man...this really spoke to me
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TripleMoonStudios Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I was confused about number 4 ' The Inner Animal' I was confused by it because Therians believe in the inner animal spirit.
As well as some native american cultures. But that does not make therians or natives furries does it ? Or did you mean some furries believe their soul was put into the wrong body that their soul is an animal. Because I think that's therianism. But I could be wrong.
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ScottieRouge Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
No, that does not make you furry.
Also, you can be a furry and have those beliefs... 

What I am saying is that there is a group of furries who fit that category. You may call it whatever you wish. :3
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TripleMoonStudios Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Nvm I'm sorry you don't to answer that my question was answered in the debate further down XD
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wolfgirlspiritsolf Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree completely, we do get hate, but that doesn"t mean we have to provoke it to go on further. No need to be rude to haters, by calling them Fascist F***s, I mean what good is that gonna do? Look at YouTube, so many hater coments, and so many hateful comment right back directed from furries, that won't solve any troubles from outside our community.
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ScottieRouge Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Indeed.
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wolfgirlspiritsolf Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
thnk you, why can't we all being accepting?
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JamestheDrow Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
the whole furry thing does make me a tiny bit uncomfortable but i have several close friends that are ...jesus i had no ideal how much hate you guys get....fuck its uncalled for
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ScottieRouge Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
We do get a lot of crap, but that's why I don't complain and whine and defend myself, but rather try to explain things to others.

Even some furs are still uncomfortable about furries, but the more you realize we are just like the standard anime, comic con nerds, you'll feel better. lol
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JamestheDrow Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
lol true
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MugoUrth Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012
tl/dr. But yeah, I've always disliked the amount of hate furries get. Most people I know take their hate to extremes, and I am appalled that so many people, even other furries, expect us to just take it without standing up for ourselves.

Also, I know I saw somewhere where a guy was complaining about a furry that said "furries are the nicest people on the internet," the furry who said that could very well have been myself. But honestly, the amount of kind, caring furries I've met have been high. Actually, I've met less nice, caring, non-furries than I've met awful, rude furries, which is pretty low, which accounts for why I've ever said "Furries are the nicest people on the internet."
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ScottieRouge Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Furries get a lot of hate, yes, and they should be able to stand up for themselves. The problem I see is that there are a lot of furs that get whiny and dramatic and act like dramatic high schoolers and defend everything, instead of understanding the viewpoint of the non-furs and saying, "yes, you are right on SOME degree because this may have happened... etc.. BUT, that was one incident within the ENITRE fandom...", ya know, give the other person credit for their info, even if they are poorly misinformed, and try to help them understand that those incidences aren't common. That's just an example, but many furs get so defensive that they cause a scene instead of trying to reason with those who don't understand.

As far as furs being nice...
I do occationaly come across a fur who isn't so nice, and usualy those furs are REALLY not nice...

However, the majority of furs are actually some of the nicest people I have met, and I have formed a "pack / family" with the ones I see on a monthly basis. I have never felt so loved and cared for and protected by anyone outside of my "pack". Furries usualy have a strong sense of understanding towards one another, which is why they are usualy so nice to each other.
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Amabit Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2011  Student General Artist
While I personally don't consider myself a furry, I am a therianthrope. I identify with cats. While it isn't the same, it's in the same vein as furries. I don't see anything wrong with a person's choice to be a furry, but I would not call someone being overly harsh against furries racist, as you have. It is wrong, but it is a person being cruel to another person, and only that.

Also, there's nothing wrong with being a sexual deviant... if that's what you're into. XD I understand that argument very well. At least there's another group that's apparently even more hated than furries around the internet, bronies.
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ChaoticUmbra Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2011  Student General Artist
I'm thoroughly impressed with your argument. You addressed all of the major points that get attention, and did them in a professional manner that was well backed up. I can only hope that this changes some people for the better.

The only problem I see is that it's only been posted to furry and anthro groups; places where haters and anti-furries most likely won't see it.
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ScottieRouge Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I know. But anti-furries don't let me into their groups, however I have spoken to some of the group's owners. :3
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ChaoticUmbra Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2011  Student General Artist
I hope you make some headway with those groups. Less hate = better deviantART.
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Snowy-Frosttail Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
Read both of them - just dont want to spam you XD

Love when people write stuff like this. it may just lower the level of Hate/Stupidity towards people. :)

You Rock:)
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ScottieRouge Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks. :)
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Master-Mofeto Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm right in the middle as a lover of anthro art but also as someone who's against popular furry culture. While I'm not so dense as to assume all furries have sex with animals, or assume they're all some kind of pedophile (think about how many "barely legal!" porn films they are - pedophilia tendencies are pretty widely expressed when you think about it by all parties), I've always hated the idea furries try to present like they're some kind of profound group of people when in reality they're just like everyone else, and tend to adhere to tendencies that will make them popular, rather than express their own personality. Example, people who say they hate my little pony but still get a "ponysona" commission. Or people who get a ref sheet and have the genitals on its own section. Be it pop culture or porn, these things favor those willing to take them on which IS the majority of furries. And therefore, those who just do their own thing within the fandom are largely invisible.

So in essence, anti-furries are wrong to assume what they do, and furries are wrong to assume that the anti-furries are inaccurate, save for the larger issues. But it's not inaccurate to call furries sexually driven. Just like it's not inaccurate to call modern advertising sexually driven. It's a great attention seeker, and many furries are avid attention seekers. I think that's the reason for fursuits, I highly doubt it's an effort to feel more like an animal or character, especially considering how little like their characters fursuiters end up looking, and considering how most fursuiters will attend anything with photo opportunities. I've said it a million times, fursuits are like owning an expensive car when it comes to furries. For no rhyme or reason it makes you cool.

So basically while furries are no worse than ordinary people, they are very inclined to make decisions based on popularity's sake, not so much for the sake of art or spirit, just like ordinary people. I mean it's nice to think that there's art out there of say a squirrel or raccoon or mink exhibiting its natural behavior, but try and see how the ratio of that matches up with wolf, husky, and kitsune porn. It's devastatingly outnumbered and very hard to find. I know this I've been on furry sites for years. And anyone who could deny that is being hopelessly optimistic. Plenty of "senior" furries agree. And for that reason, while I love anthro art, I very much dislike popular furry culture for reasons similar to why I dislike highschool kids.
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RobinPaineWorks Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2011  Student General Artist
This is a very good debate :) you must have nailed any english exams you took XD. If i were to give some constructive criticism, i would say that you might want to lessen the references to religious and racial persecution. some fur-haters consider it an over-reaction.
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ScottieRouge Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, because it is such a huge deal, I want them to see that it's a huge deal to us.
But mostly, it's something everyone knows about and can understand.

But I AM glad you like it. :3
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RobinPaineWorks Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2011  Student General Artist
i see ur point. i feel quite strongly about furries too. i was just sayin. and ur welcome :iconspazhugplz:
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GreyTheWanderer Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I found this helps: [link]
also, you forgot 'plushophilia' XD
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GreyTheWanderer Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I forgot to add:
I don't see why people are anti-furry, most of my childhood was based on this, like just about EVERY Disney film EVER made! have these people never seen Lion King?
they're blinded by ignorance...
"I don't know and I don't want to know, but I hate it anyway"
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ScottieRouge Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Exactly. Plus, most Furdom has derived from popular Anime.

Thanks for the video, I plan tou use it in my cause. :3
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GreyTheWanderer Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
yeah, the amount of furry-like stuff I've seen in anime clips (I don't actually watch much, but I see clips)
it all kinda went downhill with stereotypes when furry art became something in itself...
(I've heard of some rivalry between the anime and furry fandoms...)
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H-StallionWolf Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2011  Student Digital Artist
nice speech there. I am a furry artist so to speak and my artwork doesn't have anything sexual in them.

Also, this speech is great defending the furries. I haven't seen a good speech like this one since my days in philosophy class
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ScottieRouge Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it. :3
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H-StallionWolf Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2011  Student Digital Artist
your welcome. After all what's said there it's true
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SnowblindOtter Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow! Would you look at that...a properly formed, concise, and objective argument! I like how you stated this. You did a really great job explaining both sides, and it looks like you actually put forth the honest effort to do your research! Way to go!
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ScottieRouge Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks. :3
I never like to say I'm right without observing both sides. People won't listen if they think you don't listen / understand them.
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SnowblindOtter Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Exactly. It's also a great way in some cases to get people to drop the issue. there are two ways us furries can stop this...1) is to give them the ultimate insult and ignore them completely and utterly, or 2) show an interest in understanding their side.
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ScottieRouge Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Exactly.
I can see why some of them hate us. They think were dicks 'coz indtead of educating them, we insult their views, which then they do that, gives them the right to think so badly.
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SnowblindOtter Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah. People are just stupid in general. I usually try to avoid them...kinda hard when I am stupid, lol
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ScottieRouge Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
All haters wanna do is make you feel bad and start a fight.
If you are harassed say "I'm proud to be who I am", and leave. Then you will have won. :3
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SnowblindOtter Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
yup.
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Duskwither Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Very well done. :] I think my introduction to the furry fandom was probably because of my love of werewolves, lol. Just like, I like fursuiting because I like acting.
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DanoGambler Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This was truly one of the best and most informative statements I've seen, concerning this matter. I really couldn't have said it better myself. Bravo!
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ScottieRouge Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks. :3
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